The CIRS Group Podcast

Candid conversations about healing, community, and CIRS recovery — hosted by Barbara and Jacie.

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Featured Episodes

The earlier you get on the list, the better!!

Those provider waitlists are a KILLER when you are in a flare! So get on the list early while you start testing, taking care of your environment, and doing the ...things that make you feel better while you wait!

These tips and so many more over on the latest episode - link is in the bio! 💛Show More

The earlier you get on the list, the better!!

Those provider waitlists are a KILLER when you are in a flare! So get ...

How to catch a flare early!!

One of the BEST things you can do to turn around a health flare is to ...

In a health flare? Now what?? How to feel better while you heal!

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com ...

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Jacie and Barbara return from an unexpected break, caused by Jacie's autoimmune flare after moving into an apartment with a high actino ...score. Today's episode outlines what to do during a CIRS “flare” or symptom backslide. Some tips covered inclide: defining early warning signs, using objective tracking tools like the VCS test, symptom logs, and wearables, and scheduling periodic bloodwork (including MSH, MMP-9, and TGF beta-1). Their step-by-step approach emphasizes testing the environment (HERTSMI-2 or ERMI, plus endotoxins and actino), getting on waitlists for CIRS providers and Indoor Environmental Professionals, and addressing root cause through remediation, cleaning, and restarting the protocol. They'll also cover how to reduce inflammation with supportive measures while waiting for care. Once healed from CIRS, many patients build long-term resilience by investigating “side quests” like co-infections and keeping a clean environment. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro: Back from break
01:20 Disclaimer
02:05 What is a health or autoimmune flare?
03:03 How to monitor your health at home
05:11 First step to recover from a flare: testing
06:26 Environment testing options: Mold, Actinos, Endos
07:49 VCS and bloodwork testing
09:30 Schedule with an Indoor Environmental Professional and/or Doctor
12:05 Treat root cause, but reduce inflammation however you can
14:36 Work on nutrition, supplements, and other therapies
16:53 Cleaning and how Jacie made quick progress
18:01 Mindset: You are not at zero
19:22 Build resilience long term, and attack co-infections
21:17 Take care of yourself

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

HELPFUL LINKS:
Our episode on testing your environment: https://youtu.be/nRrZs7xbXcc?si=k3zDvBWc_wio7Idu
Our episode that covers the VCS test/CIRS diagnosis: https://youtu.be/CCT2iJrbI7w?si=ttQT3rZFsgG2fOdu
Our episode on CIRS Bloodwork: https://youtu.be/XMtbxLLZzaU?si=jn_lTvXeHBGKEpVl
VCS Test: https://www.survivingmold.com/store/online-vcs-screening
Environment Testing: https://lisbiotech.com/home/services-2/

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.Show More

Who benefits from you staying sick?

Follow the money! Who benefits from your continued unwellness? This ...

Biohacking? Or bio-overriding?

Is your biohacking hiding a bigger problem? Our latest episode is all ...

What is your doctor offering you? A product? Or a strategy?

A good doctor doesn't sell you a solution, they help you plan a ...

“I’ll Try Anything” Medicine: When unlimited money becomes a health liability

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com ...

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Jacie and Barbara discuss why unlimited money and access to extreme treatments doesn’t usually lead to better or faster healing. Wealth can ...remove “financial friction,” which inadvertently encourages fear-based, urgent, and uncoordinated decision-making, including fringe or unregulated therapies, constant protocol switching, and symptom-focused biohacking without tracking or testing. They emphasize the importance of strategy, sequencing, and objective measurement, highlighting the Shoemaker Protocol as a foundational, ordered approach for CIRS treatment. They'll also cover how you can evaluate treatments and doctors, and why discernment and thoughtful pacing often matter more than money. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Timestamps
00:00 Intro, let's talk about money
03:33 Does more money mean worse health decisions?
04:22 Acknowledging the difficulty of healing without income
06:04 Sick and Wealthy Psychology Trap
08:51 Real world example of wealthy patient acting recklessly
12:40 Track results, not hype
14:31 There's not one miracle cure for chronic illness
16:00 Timing matters
17:51 Middle class advantages
19:35 How to determine the best treatment and doctor for you
22:40 What makes a great doctor
25:09 Discernment can be greater than money
25:52 Wrap up and encouragement

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Watch our first reaction video to Chris Williamson's health updates: https://youtu.be/5uTs5B6ySHQ?si=qLdsrLLbzmWkiOWK

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.Show More

Who knew?!

GOSH!! So much nuance when it comes to testing your home for mold. Who ...

Test, don't guess!

Testing your home is one of the best ways to invest in your health and ...

Don't let this mold testing mistake burn you!

Don't let your landlord or builder screw you over, hire your own ...

Is your house making you sick? Test your home to heal!

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com ...

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

In this week's episode, Barbara and Jacie explain why people with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) or mold illness should test their ...home (and workplaces) and when. They'll dig into why multiple tests are better to understand the full picture rather than relying on a single score, and recommend working with an IEP (Indoor Environmental Professional) for interpretation and creating an action plan. They cover MSQPCR dust testing (ERMI/HERTSMI-2), best sampling practices, testing per room/floor, separate testing for basements/crawl spaces/attics, and using an outdoor control sample as well. They discuss why the mold species matter, where to get tests (LisBiotech), and some other methods your IEP may use to test your home: spore traps/air sampling, tape lifts, swabs, bulk sampling, and cultures. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

Timestamps
00:00 Intro and disclaimer
01:43 Why should you test your home?
02:20 When should you test your home?
04:09 Side note about testing for mold, actinos and endotoxins
05:19 MSQPCR Dust Testing: ERMI, HERTSMI-2
08:26 How to interpret your ERMI or HERTSMI-2 results
11:06 Where to get MSQPCR dust tests
13:15 When should you hire an Indoor Environmental Professional (IEP)
14:36 Other methods of testing: Air Sampling
16:52 Tape Lift testing
18:34 Swab testing
19:09 Bulk Sampling
21:31 Culturable testing
23:21 Next Steps: vetting professional help
25:48 Retest during and after remediation

For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com

HELPFUL LINKS:
Order your dust testing: https://lisbiotech.com/
Our interview with Bill Weber: https://youtu.be/RlKjTqVAeNU?si=9VZ4RnafI6Gx2QRp
Our interview with Michael Schrantz: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=kmMrR9lPBgffrFND
The CIRSx course for Medically Important Remediation: https://institute.cirsx.com/course/mir101

Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs

The CIRS Group:
Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/

Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources:
Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory
Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/

Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching:
Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara

Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.Show More

Stop food shaming, start mold shaming 👍

Stop food shaming people - start mold shaming them instead! JK JK This ...

March 9, 2025

Repair Your Brain with Plasmalogens – Dr. Dayan Goodenowe

Today we have a special guest! Dr. Dayan Goodenowe is a researcher that has unlocked the power of plasmalogens and thankfully, this is something that can be a real game changer for people struggling with CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome.

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